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The X01 is the APA... It says that the X01 was engineered AFTER the Great War, not a pre-war prototype like you mentioned. That one armor in Nuka World DLC was just an error... or that ONE armor is the pre-war prototype, but it's not the same armor as the other X01s.

They should have made you work for the power armor a little more like in 3 and new vegas but other than that fallout 4s is superior

☢️😶‍🌫️☢️ *putting on my hazmat suit to wade through the F:NV Meat-riders in the comments*

Thanks man

not even 1 second into the video and my answer is no

It WAS destroyed in 2277. Thats cope. The fall does not mean decline because Rome, the fall of Rome refers to several actual dates that could mean the collapse. 410 being one such date when Rome was sacked. Lucy mentions the plague of 77 when her mom died which was her dad’s excuse to go nuke the city. In the end title cards we can see a shady sands library card that stopped taking records in 76. It was in 2277 and you saying it isn’t because “Todd said so” is cope.

There was one fallout youtuber, forgot his name, I think he's the one that made "Bethesda never understood fallout" video but basically he had a great line that goes something like this "The problem isn't that you can't justify it in canon, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S BORING. If the entire west, east, midwest is just deathclaw o'clock then we have no reason to get excited to see new entries to the series. The appeal was to see post post nuclear world that crawled out from the ashes, but Bethesda thinks the game is about the ashes". Same goes for me, idc if Bethesda can justify so many retcons, I'd excuse RETCONING EVERYTHING, yes EVERYTHING, if they just provided a good RPG. Just ONCE. They can't make an RPG even as half as engaging as FNV is, and the fact that FNV got 84 score and critical acclaim from gamers is what makes me hate Bethesda. Yoy know it would be one thing if FNV never became popular and done poorly in sales, yoy could at least say "Well, that's why Bethesda ain't making more fallout RPGs cuz rpg genre doesn't sell, hence why they focus on survival aspects " but it's a bold lie, FNV DID sell well, had it not been for bugs and maybe lack of polish in some places(rushed dev time) the game would've done even better! Add Bethesda skills at making pretty maps and we could have had genuinely timeless RPG game series, and Bethesda refused to unlock this potential... Oh yeah the TV show, it would also still be bad even without retcons, Maximus felt more like a villain for first half of the series, but not a charming one or scary one, so the fact they tried to sell him as a good guy when he joined Lucy is bizarre and doesn't work, Lucy was meh, The Ghoul got too little screen time and development time, the rest of the characters got too little time to develop or just boring, the story is even more boring, and the tone feels even more juvenile and goofy than previous Fallout games from Bethesda.

Vaults, especially 3 of them in one place in the heart of L.A along with vault 14 & 15 seeing if Shady sands is closer to Boneyard should be on the Masters catherdrals doorsteps. The catherdral being the tri 33 vault wouldve made more sense if the master killed the dwellers & used the database to locate the other vaults, not only would it explain Vault-tecs absense along with enclave being absent for 100 years due to loosing vault tec centrum Not to mention how recaping Fallout 1 would make for a 1000x better show.

I think Vault-Tec would be cool with turning the USA into a company town, especially with the uncertain future under previous governments.

I actually like the ghouls out of the TV show. In need of serum not to go veral, but they dont have to eat. I think its an awesome idea. And sucking the serum out of glands from dead ghouls is also genius. Adds a layer of complexity.

So Fallout new vegas? Definitely Ed E hands down. Fallout 4? Has to be Nick because he is the goat BUT Piper is a great character. I really like her and i wish there could be more companion lines…i play this game 300 hours…and i have pipers dialogue after 20. So yeah that kind of sucks. Nick actually has more interaction in quests. But i still have to shit on bethesda. They make such an amazing game, and fallout 4 is amazing, but manage to leave it bare bone. They have a lot of great systems and they integrate the pip boy perfectly, they make good companion systems but dont use it to its potential. They make settlements but dont use them to their potential. Its annoying. They have good ideas in theory but never follow through.

I think the locations of the show exclusive vaults make no sense, the Master would have definitely found vault 33 if it was that close to the Boneyard and not hidden at all

Idk if this is just a me thing, but my only issue was I felt the show should have been more ‘extra’. Like it should have left more over the top, like the visual equivalent of big band music. Instead it feels like a lot of other tv shows. The lore changes don’t upset me because they’re all interesting even if not good, which is an improvement over Bethesdas games

Good to watch, bad for fallout.

Wonder how long it'll take the Bethesda stans to hate on you for daring to criticize the show.

My two biggest problems with the Vault-Tec launching the nukes is that its incredibly lazy and it makes every smart character we know of from before the war look like complete idiots. The "the real enemy was capitalism all along!" trope is possibly the laziest in the 21st century. It feels like every single show or film series eventually defaults to this. I am not against some good old anti capitalist messaging when it makes sense but I always thought in the fallout universe it was the government controlling the companies, not the other way around. Hence why the Enclave was so powerful. Fallout had the chance and the history to pick a more interesting response. Then the fact that apparantly RobCo, Vault-Tec and all the major figures seemed to have just "forgot" when they would launch the nukes? Like the enclave managed to get most of their major personnel to their bunkers or the Poseidon energy rig but all the people who actually launched the bombs couldnt? It just seems dumb. House even says he predicted it, not that he planned it. So if he knew Vault-Tec would launch the nukes why wait around until the day of to upgrade his securitrons or even why bother saving Vegas? Why would Vault-Tec personnel not have all been sealed away a day before the nukes? Why would Barb not have her daughter nearby? It all just seems so brain dead. I am no longer trying to justify the lore. I am going on the rule that there's two cannons. The real fallout canon which ended in fallout 4 and the TV canon.

My Head Cannon is that the ''Fall'' was some big blow during the NCR-Brotherhood war most likely when the brotherhood destroyed the Gold Reserve they might have hit the Shady Sands harder then we believed before making it less of a ''Fall'' and more of a Sack and the bomb fell on Shady Sands later letting them recover and still govern from there but losing alot of it's short lived glory.

The show is absolute trash I can only hope Bethesda goes bankrupt before they can bastardize fallout any further.

So we're just going to ignore the retcon to ghoul biology, the terrible aim of the sentry turret aiming at Dr Wilzig, all the Power Armor shenanigans and BS, and the fact that canonically the Institute still didn't have cold fusion before the show released? (Sidenote: Who needs Cold Fusion if you have fission in an object the size of a water bottle?)

a compromise could be to make vault tec sabotage peace talks to try and prolong the Sino-American war and in doing so accidentally lead to the Great War

Vault-Tec orchestrating a false flag nuclear attack has been the implied canon for decades. Vault-Tec was working with the Enclave to wipe the slate clean, and then potentially abandon Earth. That was the whole point of the Vaults; to experiment with potential generation ships and bases on other planets. The only problem I have with that scene is it completely abandons that only being a subtextual element in the games, and instead they handhold the viewer and say it explicitly. It was a really lame choice to have it be a big reveal in season 1 of the show, when the games have only hinted about it this whole time. The whole show lacks restraint and subtle elements of the lore that made Fallout a great game series.

I think the simplest explanation for Shady Sands location is that it was a retcon. It was far away from L.A., but it was changed. Things like this happen in all long running franchises.

Hey could you talk about other countries in the Fallout universe like in Africa and Europe? I know there is probably not a lot known about them but I would love to hear your take as well as anyone else’s.

I'm personally gonna put a head canon that the Fallout Show never happens.

Shows beyond repair honestly, would be much better to just be considered non canon

You shouldn’t have to create head cannon to justify retcons, retcons should just avoid being made.

The ghoul thing, the NCR seemingly gone, East Coast Brotherhood and Enclave making a comeback are also really dumb

there's no working around them. the only way to fix these lore issues caused by the show is to just have the show be non-canon. simple as.

I thought it was pretty heavily implied that China launched the nukes first; Tim Cain himself confirmed this before the show came out. To me, it makes the most sense considering that they lost Alaska and were getting Desert Stormed over in mainland China before the bombs fell. Vault-Tec being responsible for dropping the bombs because they wanted to "eliminate competition" and "win the game of capitalism" is not only completely irrational but extremely out of character for people who are supposed to be profit-seeking capitalists. Capitalists would never believe that capitalism is a zero-sum game like they do in this show. The show then presents capitalists as those with very little regard for human capital, which is paradoxical. "Yeah guys let's destroy the world! It would restrict our ability to produce *and* reduce the number of consumers we can sell to at the same time! It's a foolproof plan!" Like you said, it makes much more sense for them to want to drag out the war and milk the U.S. government for everything it's worth.

American corporate interests definitely played a hand in the nuclear war, but I do believe it occurred earlier than they planned. The point though is that it was definitely planned

I kinda like the sandy shore theory

I feel like a lot of the problems people have with the lore issues might not be as bad when the second season comes. If the show ended after season one, I could agree with a lot of the issues, mainly how contrived the stuff with Shady Sands and Vault-Tec seem. I feel strongly that we're going to get more information and details in season two though. More flashbacks and explanations on what will happen that can correct inconsistencies and expand upon ideas that are currently shallow. I think a lot of other people's problems with Shady Sand's destruction are that it seemingly came out of nowhere, but the more I watched the show the more it seems like they do plan to do more exploration of it's destruction than just what we got in season one. I feel the same with Vault-Tec. Yes, they are implying they're going to drop the bomb so they have control over it, but in that case, why were Cooper and his daughter caught by surprise when it did? Shouldn't they have seen it coming? I feel like the show is setting a lot of foundations to build upon in season two. There's a lot more that they could do and a lot of implications they could still subvert if they want to pull a plot twist.

But if Shady Sands was moved, then that would be a pretty significant event, so its date should be on the board if that was the case, but it isn't.

If they can patch No Way Home, they can patch the TV show. They won't but they could.

Vault tek talked about it, but it wasn't (as far as I understood) confirmed that they actually did. More that if it it looked like it wasnt going to happen on its own, they would make sure it happened. Also too many unfinished vaults and other half done projects to make vault tek dropping the bombs to make sense. Also, I took "fall of shady sands" to be like "autumn of shady sands" as in the decline before the "winter" or end. The lore about the goulds is what bothered me. Somehow they went from ageless to true zombie like, head shots only.

My actual gripe with the show is, she just walked the wasteland (until trapped by the ghoul) without being attack either by raiders nor wasteland fauna

Sure, making Vault Tec responsible for the great war and Nuking the NCR were dumb, but can we acknowledge how crappy the T-60 Helmet ( specifically *just* the helmet) looks in the show? It's like a life-sized Funko pop helmet, hell, even *Fortnite* did a better job.

My ways for fixing the lore inconsistencies is by one saying "oops we meant the Bonyard was hit by a nuke not Shady Sands sorry" and then have the resulting refugee crisis and economic crisis to cause the NCR to shrink back into its Northern territories. Option 2 is to act like their was a lot more walking involved that the 4 wasteland sets they had to work with. And use the creator in the boneyard as where the cathedral was or just a nuke from the grate war. As for Vault Tec did it I can see that they planned to as part of the Enclaves original goal of colonising a new world or wiping the slate clean on earth to have total control from the beginning of the new Enclave led civilization. And simply they planned to do it but we're beaten to it hence why major figures weren't ready for the bombs. Then you have House who likely wasn't told when it would happen due to not being on bored with the plan, but the meeting itself being a vital part of his calculations for getting so close with his predictions. Or this too is a very strong misinterpretation where their going to drop a bomb to boost the need for more vaults their has been hints to show that Vault Tec is running out of money. Overall Bethesda was clearly saying yes this is how it is presented in the show as cannon but that happens when your writers either don't know the lore, are getting clift notes or your just trying to remember detail off the top of your head/miss reading the wiki and can't be bothered to watch some of the hours of lore content on RUclips.

All inconsistencies are resolved with the following sentence: "this show is not part of the same universe as the games."

Yea Todd needs to think before he acts

I think shady sands nuking came years after 2077 and i think theres a clue in the show that this is the intention. The sign that says "the first capital of the NCR". I think its pretty clear that shady sands was taken from the ncr in 2077 and that they had to move the captial elsewhere. Personally, i think hank only nuked shady sands when the NCR managed to take it back as he was afraid of retribution for helping take it over the first time. As to the nuking... vault tec almost definitely did NOT drop the bomb. I think the point is that they put so much behind the vaults thinking "well if peace talks go through we will just launch the bombs ourselves". I think they weren't quite ready for the bombs to fall and had they been the ones to drop the bombs things would have been different. I think it makes more sense as well that they thought they had it all figured out and they found out they didn't

The Fallout show had some good stuff but I loath the new lore introductions.

Why would Barb nuke the world while her daughter in birthday party?! I think vault-tic were taken off guard by the someone else, I believe Mr house said the bomb dropped earlier than it was intended or something like that

I think the Enclave will have a bigger role in the plot for the upcoming seasons. Vault-Tec may have "done" it (dropped the first bomb), but only at the behest of the Enclave which would make more sense and fit with existing lore.

I could believe the Enclave, acting as the secret inner circle to the quasi-fascist US Government, launched a nuke first with the intent to wipe out the Chinese state and "communism" once and for all. Is it dumb to do so, considering the US Army were steamrolling the Chinese mainland, with the US economy so close to achieving full post-scarcity? Yeah, but that's why Fascism is a poisonous ideology, especially when in the death-throes of a late stage capitalism.

mutant humans 🤣

I think that because Cooper and his daughter weren't in a vault when the bombs dropped it implies that even tho Vault-Tec wanted to do it someone else did it first

I never watched the show. Was it definitively made clear in the boardroom meeting scenes that Vault-Tec would have been the one to launch the first nuke, or were those scenes more meant to show their depravity in planning for it but still left it open as to who actually shot first?

I don't think Vault-Tec dropped the bombs, just suggested doing it.